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CloversMum

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Posted - Apr 19 2016 :  2:44:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This morning I took eight doelings over to WSU vet hospital to have two disbudded and all of them tattooed and Cd/T vaccines. My sweet little Rose's heart stopped after she had her procedure done. She had gas to be disbudded and tattooed; however, after it was done and they turned off the gas and gave her oxygen she stopped breathing and her heart stopped. Never thought I'd drive home without all doelings healthy. She and Lavender are twins and were the quietest goats ever. They were born 3/31/16. And now Lavender is crying. Breaking my heart today.


Ethan dug a hole by one of our wild rose bushes and Rose is now there.

I think that 30 seconds of disbudding pain is worth a life. Here I thought I was being kind. No more gas for my goats.

Sad day.

Loving life and family on our Idaho farm, Meadowlark Heritage Farm; A few Jersey cows; a few alpacas; a few more goats, and even more ducks and chickens

maryjane

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Posted - Apr 19 2016 :  4:08:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry Charlene. That's shocking. Do you know why her heart stopped? Did they explain to you what happened technically? Has that happened before to them with a goat? I've been reading about children going to the dentist and then never coming home. I've never been offered gas for my cows. Maybe that's a procedure used just for goats???

Can you breed for polled goats? It's the part of cow-rearing I used to dread. That and hoof trimming, although hoof trimming isn't painful other than the pain of fright.

MaryJane Butters, author of Milk Cow Kitchen ~ striving for the stoicism of a cow standing in the rain ~
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txbikergirl

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Posted - Apr 19 2016 :  5:11:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
charlene i am so sorry. that is totally upsetting. we'll be thinking of you in texas. hugs.

Firefly Hollow Farm , our little farmstead. Farmgirl living in the green piney woods of East Texas on 23 acres with a few jerseys, too many chickens, a pair of pugs and my Texan hubby (aka "lover boy")
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NellieBelle

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Posted - Apr 19 2016 :  6:22:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One just never knows, so sad. Deeply sorry Charlene, for you and her little twin Lavender.

To laugh is human but to moo is bovine. Author Unknown
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Sydney2015

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Posted - Apr 20 2016 :  05:54:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm so sorry, Charlene, it is so sad when these things happen.

A good laugh overcomes more difficulties and dissipates more dark clouds than any other one thing - Laura Ingalls Wilder

I live on a small farm of seventy acres called Green Forest Farm, with 10 horses, a donkey, 5 beef cows, 2 beef heifers, 3 Hereford heifers, around 60 chickens, 8 dogs, my amazing cow, AppleButter, and her little Jersey calf HoneyButter!
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farmlife

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Posted - Apr 20 2016 :  2:37:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, how crushing, Charlene. I can't imagine what a shock to your heart that was.
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CloversMum

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Posted - Apr 21 2016 :  3:29:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's Rose on our way to WSU to be disbudded. She and Lavender were in the open tote right behind the front seats. The other goats were in dog kennels in the back of the suburban.






My goat crazy friend who helps me with all things goats! Rose was interested in her phone.

Keeley, you are correct when you say it was crushing. It was indeed a shock and it still very much hurts.

The vets only told us that they think she might have had an allergic reaction to the gas. In reading further, goats are delicate when it comes to any type of anesthesia. I wasn't aware of how delicate they were and thought I was doing the very best for my goats so they wouldn't have any discomfort from the disbudding.

I'm still waiting to hear back from WSU vets ... they also suggested it could be because she was low in selenium which couldn't be possible as all my goat kids receive an injection of BoSe, in addition to a Vitamin B shot right after birth. But I'm also wondering what can be done in cases of allergic reactions. Epinephrine pen for animals?? I also was reading about the effectiveness of cayenne, either rubbed straight on their gums or a tincture or on their skin above their heart.

I think this has been hard because is was such a shock. You can see how sweet and alert she was just moments beforehand. Still is heartbreaking. But we buried her by a wild rose bush and my friend is painting a rock with her name on it to put by it. And, I've pretty much decided that the rest of my girls are staying put. Each doeling this year has been extra special for some reason. Maybe because next year we'll have a run on bucklings! :-)

Loving life and family on our Idaho farm, Meadowlark Heritage Farm; A few Jersey cows; a few alpacas; a few more goats, and even more ducks and chickens
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CloversMum

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Posted - Apr 21 2016 :  8:06:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, MaryJane, I can breed for polled goats. In fact, most of my goat babies this spring were polled as I have a polled buck. However, not Rose or Lavender. The problem with polled goats is in the past there was too much in-breeding and some undesired traits were becoming apparent. So you have to be careful. This weekend my polled buck is off to a new home in southern Idaho as I need new genetics ... too many of his daughters around here. I have another buck already, but he is dehorned. I hope to find another polled buck in the future. I wasn't too concerned about disbudding before this week ... now, I'm not too sure.


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maryjane

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Posted - Apr 23 2016 :  10:22:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your photos of sweet little Rose are haunting. What a terrible loss.

MaryJane Butters, author of Milk Cow Kitchen ~ striving for the stoicism of a cow standing in the rain ~
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txbikergirl

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Posted - Apr 23 2016 :  2:45:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i keep telling people about your goat loss charlene, its just heartbreaking. the photos are adorable. they make me smile.

and i have to admit that for some reason both patrick and i are thinking we need goats to accompany the cows on our farm. not that we have the fencing for the little buggers yet, but its just one of those ideas that have crept into our minds and for some reason now has taken hold and seems natural... some day.

Firefly Hollow Farm , our little farmstead. Farmgirl living in the green piney woods of East Texas on 23 acres with a few jerseys, too many chickens, a pair of pugs and my Texan hubby (aka "lover boy")
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CloversMum

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Posted - Apr 24 2016 :  11:10:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It has been a terrible loss, MaryJane. And I'm surprised at how upset and sad I've been. Other animal emergencies this spring had to do with sick animals or an accident so I was gearing towards the worst in those scenarios. This was a happy day and Rose was happy and well. Such a shock to bring her home in a box and have to bury her. Not even on my radar. I think grief combined with shock has been a bit much.

I do think that WSU did everything they could but I don't think I'll ever allow that method of disbudding again. But I've been talking with the WSU vets and they'd recommend the same method. Lots to think about.

Yes these photos actually make me smile, too. Rose was a love bug. However, little Lavender is becoming such a love ... and she is becoming attached to another little goat that we named "Chia". Lavender will be fine. She isn't crying for her twin any more. Oh to have the resiliency of a goat!

Cindy, you should most definitely get a couple of goats sometime. They are just a lot of fun, believe it or not! Just be careful how you disbud them or get polled goats!


Loving life and family on our Idaho farm, Meadowlark Heritage Farm; A few Jersey cows; a few alpacas; a few more goats, and even more ducks and chickens

Edited by - CloversMum on Apr 25 2016 4:35:33 PM
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